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interview
Adge Covell - Maxine Peake (Linda / Faith)
I managed to speak with Maxine in November 2005, a full year after
'Faith' was made.
Adge: Hello Maxine, it's a pleasure to talk
with you, at last. According to the details I have, you were born
in Bolton, Lancashire, in 1974
Maxine: I was yes.
Adge: Did you go to school in Bolton?
Maxine: Yes, I went to primary school there
and then I went to secondary school in a little town just outside,
called West Houghton.
Adge: Was it then that you first thought
about becoming an actress?
Maxine: Yes
Well, I did stuff when
I was younger. I used to go to Unitarian Church and I did stuff
when I went to church and I used to take part in the pantos and
that, but it was only for a bit of fun. It was only on leaving school
that I thought "What do I want to do for a career?" I
didn't really have any idea at that time, but I liked acting so
I thought I'd have a go. I didn't know how you got into it, and
I didn't know anyone who was an actor. It all seemed a bit mysterious,
you know?
Adge: I have some notes here and I see that
you went to the Octagon Youth Theatre when you were 13.
Maxine: Yeah, I went to the Octagon Youth
Theatre Club but
I thought they were all a bit too good, so
I stopped going. I was a lot older than them, and there was a lot
of kids there that were really good and really confident, and it
made me think, "I don't know if this is for me", because
I wasn't really that confident at that time.
Adge: It's hard to think of you lacking confidence.
Maxine: Yeah, well, it's a bit over facing
when you first go into these place and everyone there is very sparky
and they knew what they were doing.
Adge: I think I would have been terrified!
Maxine: Well I didn't know how to act, and
what we had been doing at school was really lots of improvisation.
I'd never done stuff with a script or anything, so I found that
a bit hard at first.
Adge: What did you do between then and when
you were 21, because you went to RADA when you were 21, didn't you?
Maxine: I worked as a life guard. After leaving
school I got a job as a life guard, and then I did a little bit
of acting. I joined a theatre and an education company and did a
bit with them, and then I did little bits on telly. Then I decided
at 21 that if I wanted to be this serious then I should go to drama
school, so I applied and got in at RADA, and then it all took off
from there.
Adge: Was that where you met Thelma Holt?
Maxine: Yeah. She came to give to give us
a chat. Well
she wanted a few students who had had trouble
with funding, 'cos she was on the Arts Council, to put people's
cases forward, and that was how I met her. Then, a couple of years
later I got a call saying she was doing Miss Julie in the West End
and would I audition for the part of Kristin.
Adge: You went on to do a fair bit of live
acting didn't you?
Maxine: Yeah I've done quite a bit of theatre.
I did "Dinner Ladies" first, and then I did a play at
the Octagon, and then I went in the West End. Then I was at The
National for about eighteen months, and then I worked at the Royal
Court Theatre, so yeah, I've done quite a bit of theatre.
Adge: Did you enjoy working with Victoria
Wood?
Maxine: Yeah, she was lovely.
Adge: She comes across as a typical northerner
Maxine: Yeah, she's a very clever woman and
was lovely to work with.
Adge: Do you prefer acting live to the TV
stuff?
Maxine: Erm
it depends
a bit.
I must admit that, although I've now got a lot more confident, that
at first I found telly very, very, nerve wracking, more than theatre;
because at least with theatre you could rehearse for four weeks
or whatever. You did it, and then you did it again, so obviously
you had plenty of time to make sure you'd got it right. With telly
you have say a week, and do take after take. But you're up against
it, time wise. So, unless the director's really unhappy, or you're
sort of a really big star, you have to go with what you've done.
So that's why I found telly a bit nerve wracking at first. But,
the more I've done
I feel easier now in front of the camera.
Adge: You always appear to be really relaxed
and confident in front of the camera, I mean in stuff like "Early
Doors"
Maxine: You know that's funny, 'cos I was
watching Early Doors
A friend of mine hadn't seen it, and
when I watched it I thought, "Oh God, I look nervous in that".
You know, when you see yourself
I thought I didn't look natural
in that. I hadn't done any telly for about two years, when I did
that, so I was a bit nervous. I'd done plenty of theatre, but I
found it difficult getting back into telly again. So, I thought
it showed.
Adge: Do you find it difficult to watch yourself?
Maxine: Yeah, I do, yeah. I mean... when
I first did "Shameless" I watched myself, because I thought
I need to see that I'm doing it all right. I think you learn when
you watch yourself do things, and you think, "No, that doesn't
look right when I do that", or, "I've got to stop doing
that because it doesn't look truthful". But I must admit that
with "Shameless", that I can't watch it now. I don't really
watch it as much as I used to. I watch it because I enjoy the series,
but I get bored watching myself. (Laughs). Sometimes I watch it
though.
Adge: Shameless was written by Paul Abbot
and you did a part in "Clocking Off", which was also his
didn't you?
Maxine: Yeah, I did the very first episode
of Clocking Off. It was only a tiny part, but that was one of my
first serious roles, so I was over the moon about doing that.
Adge: Shameless is more popular, wouldn't
you say?
Maxine: Hmm, I don't think
I don't
know. I suppose it's got more of a cult following, but Clocking
Off had higher viewing figures, 'cos it was BBC prime time telly,
but I think Shameless has got more of a "family. It's a little
more quirky. Do you know what I mean? So it got more of a cult following
than I suppose Clocking Off did.
Adge: I have to admit that when I first saw
Shameless I thought it was really rude and crude, but when you get
into it and get to know the characters it's really amazing.
Maxine: Yeah, I thought it would upset a
lot of people. So, I was worried. I thought that we're going to
get a lot of complaints, but, it didn't seem to... I think people
have grown up with telly, you know, haven't they. They're used to
seeing telly which has, to put it bluntly, got a bit cruder, in
a way. But I suppose it's just "real". My argument with
Shameless is that it goes on, you know, it does go on.
Adge: Yeah it does.
Maxine: And it is on Channel Four, and it
is on after nine o'clock, so it is giving you the adult choice if
you want to watch it.
Adge: I think the thing about Shameless is
that everybody knows somebody like that
Maxine: Yeah, well that's it. That's something
people say, like, "I've got a neighbour like you", or,
"My uncle's like Frank", or
.
Adge: God, Frank, yeah
(Whenever I think of Frank, I get a mental image of a yellow pee
stain appearing in a pile of snow and I find it very difficult to
talk without laughing, so at this point the taped interview is a
bit garbled!)
Maxine: Yeah, everybody seems to know somebody
like Frank (Laughs)
Adge: Just after you were here to make "Faith",
you appeared on TV to make "Christmas Lights", with Mark
Benton.
Maxine: Yeah, I did that, yeah.
Adge: He was in "Early Doors" as
well wasn't he, and he always comes across as a nice bloke.
Maxine: Yeah, he's a lovely fellah actually,
he really is. They're doing a series of Christmas Lights now, but
it's going to be called "Northern Lights", but I couldn't
do it, because it clashed with Shameless...
Adge: That's a pity
Maxine: So it's gone as a series now. Sian
Reeves is playing Pauline, which was my character, you know, the
part I played, so I'm sure she'll be very good.
Adge: When you did "Faith", I thought
that was more serious than most of the TV stuff you'd done before
you know
a more serious subject.
Maxine: Yeah
I think that was really
my first serious part since I did the little bit in Clocking Off.
So that was a big deal. It was a big deal because it was about the
miners, and I did have to sort of fight for that part, because when
I first heard about it, my agent said that the casting director
had said that there's nothing in it for you, really, that you would
be right for. So, luckily, it was George Faber who was the executive
producer; he produced Shameless. So I emailed him and I said, "Look,
I don't care what type of part, but there must be something",
and he said, "I'll forward your email to Alison Jackson, the
producer and see what she thinks."
So in the end they said, yes, come in, but they wanted me for "Bev",
which was Kelly Hollis's part. When I read "Bev" they
said, "You're not really right for this." And then they
said, "Would like to read anything else?"
So I said, "Well, I'd like to read for "Michelle",
which was Christine's part, and they said, "Well, we've already
got somebody for that, but you can do if you want"
Then they said, "What about Linda?" and I said, "On
no, I don't really like her, she's horrible!" (Laughs) I mean,
she's really mean, and I don't get it; why has she done that to
her sister? But then when I read it, it sort of became clear, you
know, the dilemma everybody was in, and the climate and everything
that was going on around them. Then I felt sympathetic towards Linda,
which I always think you have to if you want to play a part. I don't
mean you have to like them, but you have to understand why they
do something. Even though sometimes it's hard to see a reason, there
usually is some deep seated reason why people behave in a certain
way. So I read Linda, and then I got a call saying, "You've
got it, would you like to do it?" So I was over the moon.
Adge: Did you think it was different to the
other roles you've played?
Maxine: Yeah, it was different sort of part.
I suppose I do more of the comedy, the daft sort of comedy part,
so it was really nice to do that. And of course, she was a lot more
gentle the characters I normally play. Even though I know what she
did
wasn't
you know
very nice... to cheat on your
sister, but I think that as person, Linda wasn't brassy and Michelle
was the stronger personality of the two. Normally I'm the one with
the big mouth, so it was nice being the quieter one.
Adge: Did you have any political views about
the strike and events around it?
Maxine: Yes, I grew up with my grandfather
who had a role in the Communist Party. He worked for Lale &
Morters (the name is indistinct due to the poor quality of the recording
at this point. AC) When the strike was on he was always out and
about and collecting
And he also sold the Morning Star. I was only ten years old, but
I can remember it, because it was always the main discussion in
our house. And then I was in The Young Communists League, when I
was eighteen to about twenty three, so it had a big influence on
me. It was just one of those things that I thought needed the story
telling about it. I remember watching Billy Elliot and being furious,
because I didn't quite like the way they used it as a backdrop,
when it was too important to be just a back drop to a story. I remember
thinking that if I could write
I would love to be able to
do
something about it
you know. I mean, it was nearly
a civil war, and I don't think people realised that. A friend of
mine spoke to me after Faith and said, "That was brilliant,
we never realised that things like that went on." I think it
just got swept under the carpet here.
Adge: I know what you mean. After Faith I
received a lot of emails through the MinersAdvice web site from
people who had previously been Thatcher supporters, but who had
no idea about the way we were betrayed, or that she had done such
things to our own people.
Maxine: Yeah, and I think that, although
Faith was a great drama, it only touched really, on the real hardship
that went on, and I'd love there to be a drama that is based on
what people really went through. I mean, the emotional turmoil that
the characters experienced was interesting, but the real hardship
that people went through
taking doors off and having to burn
your doors
you know, for the wood, and I think that side of
it should be told, because she got away with it, and I think it
was disgusting
despicable. And then, for the Tories to complain
the next day in the papers, saying that the BBC had put it on because
it was coming up to the election. I thought you should keep your
mouths shut because I think you got off lightly. I think that it
wasn't really a political piece, I don't think he ever wrote it
as
and he said that himself. It was a human drama.
Adge: To the people who took part in the
strike, Faith was obviously just a drama
Maxine: I wish it had been more political,
but I just wanted to be a part of something that was at least having
a go at telling something of the injustice that went on in the strike.
Adge: You said you were influenced through
your grandfather's politics, but did your family have any mining
connections?
Maxine: No, not really. I mean, we knew miners.
Our nearest pit was Parkside, which is quite a bit away, but where
I grew up there was the Pretoria Pit disaster, which was a massive
pit that was here at the turn of the century.* My school was on
the ground of Pretoria Pit, so it's just one of those things
we were always conscious of the miners. So, although we had no close
family who were miners, the strike was just something that I always
felt strongly about. I just thought the way she treated the miners
was disgusting.
*(Maxine is referring to an explosion that occurred at Hulton Colliery,
known locally as Pretoria Pit, just four days before Christmas in
1910. 344 men and boys died when a roof fall released a large amount
of gas and an explosion ripped through the mine. AC)
Adge: I think most of us who were miners
felt a sense of betrayal. We were part of an industry that only
ten years earlier had promised us good wages and a job for life
Maxine: I think that the end of the miners'
strike was such an end of an era. There's no 'kick' in the British
workers no more, is there?
Adge: No
Maxine: She ended that. She crushed the unions.
She knew when she'd done the miners' that was it. You know, she'd
extinguished any flame then. I suppose it's a romantic notion that
I've got
but people don't fight
there's no solidarity
any more. I still believe that the miners would have won the fight
if the rest of the working class had got behind them. In truth,
they were betrayed by the Labour Party from the kick-off, but if
the rest of the British public had got behind them
Adge: People don't realise just how close
we were to actually winning the strike. We stumbled over just one
word on a document
and of course, Thatcher can be credited
for creating the "I'm all right Jack" society
Maxine: Well that's her legacy. I mean, look
at society now; it's an absolute mess, and that is her legacy. I'm
not saying she did it all on her own, because she did have help
from other people and future leaders. For me, the end of the miners'
strike signalled the end of socialism. My granddad, who is now 77,
and who fought all his life for socialism, says it's worse now than
it was when he was a kid. That must be just heartbreaking, to realise
that what you'd spent your life doing
from his late teens,
to living in this society as it is now
Adge: If we can go back to the subject of
the making of Faith
I believe this was the first time you
had worked with Christine Tremarco and Jamie Draven. What was that
like?
Maxine: Ohh lovely. Me and Christine are
still really good pals, in fact I spoke to her only just the other
day. You know, we speak to each other probably once or twice a week,
but, to be honest, I haven't heard from Ady or Jamie for a while,
but it was fab. I know everybody always says that it was a lovely
job, but it was. But with those
and Neil and Kelli
and
Danny... they were just a lovely gang of people. It was one of those
jobs where everybody was pleased just to be a part of it. I'd never
worked on one of those jobs where everybody just wanted to be there.
I mean, sometimes you do jobs just for the cash. It's a job. Do
you know what I mean
But this was one of those jobs where
if they'd said to everybody, "You're not getting paid",
everybody would have still been there doing it
Everyone just
felt so strongly about what they were doing. And I made such a lot
of friends there who I'm still in touch with, and we were all crying
when it was over. It really was the best job I've ever done. It
made you feel like, 'this is what it's all about', and every job
after that was a bit of anti climax.
Adge: Shortly after making Faith, Christine
appeared on TV in a drama about Hitler, where she played Eve Braun
Maxine: Uncle Adolph
Adge: Yes that's right
Maxine: She's brilliant, Christine. I met
her a couple of years ago, when I was in a bar. She was one of my
favourite actors, so I went up and I told her. I think she was a
bit embarrassed, but she said, "Give us your phone number",
and we sort of kept in touch a bit, but I got a call from her when
I got the job, saying, "Hiya sister, it's me!"
Adge: I thought that the role of Eva Braun
would be difficult for anyone to want to play, but I've heard that
you want to play a role that must be equally as difficult, and that's
Myra Hindley?
Maxine: Yeah... well
I've sort of been
offered it, but it clashes with the last two weeks of Shameless,
so we're frantically trying to make the dates work, but it might
not happen if we can't sort the filming schedule out. I nearly lost
Faith because of the same thing, because that was at the tail end
of the last series of Shameless. So, were just waiting, and I should
know by the end of next week, whether they are going to be able
to schedule it around
so, I don't know at the moment. At the
moment I'm half and half. I don't want to get too excited about
it, because I think that I might get a call saying, "It's not
going to work, and we may have to speak to somebody else".
Adge: I know you have to sympathise with
the character you're playing, but how on earth would you manage
to get into that sort of role?
Maxine: Well, I wouldn't necessarily say
'sympathise', but you have to try and understand somebody's mindset
try and understand somebody's thought process and what makes them
do what they do. I suppose what I've got to do now, if it happens
I mean, is, I've got to do lots of research, on her and her background.
And that's going to be difficult, because she's a real person. Everybody
has an opinion about Myra Hindley; whether you think she's an out
and out monster, or whether people think she was manipulated by
Brady.
Adge: I would be one of the latter.
Maxine: You think she was manipulated?
Adge: Yeah.
Maxine: Well, from what I've read
but
it's a difficult one to pass any judgement until I've sat down and
talked about it with the directors, but I think I'm erring towards
believing that she was quite an impressionable woman. I think he
was extremely powerful, and quite charismatic. I think that before
you can pass judgement though, on this or anybody, you have to really
get to grips and get to know exactly what happened.
Adge: Apart from that project, do you have
any other plans for the future?
Maxine: No, no. Nothing at all
To be
honest, if that works out, I might like to go away next year and
have a bit of a break. Just have to see what happens. It just depends
on the roles that come along. It's just happened that lots of good
stuff that I wanted to do has been there and I've been able to get
it, so
Adge: Well, thank you Maxine for giving me
so much of your time and I hope your next project is very successful.
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